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Amon Giralda  

really?

Dec 13, 2010
even the notion that using a sample is somehow better or morally superior is ridiculous. no professor at a legitimate institution would approve of the use of a paid for sample. buying terms papers is somewhat unethical. but is it really a moral travesty? of course not.

Really? It's no different, really, from going online and looking up a similar article or essay and using that as a model...
john  EssayChatDec 13, 2010
Someone using the essay for a sample, then, should show their work based OFF the paper to their Professor and make sure it's right.

even the notion that using a sample is somehow better or morally superior is ridiculous. no professor at a legitimate institution would approve of the use of a paid for sample. buying terms papers is somewhat unethical. but is it really a moral travesty? of course not.
Amon Giralda  

okay...

Dec 12, 2010
Okay, but this disqualifies you from doing this job, you condone plagiarism.. and that's illegal.

It's actually not illegal except for occasional jurisdictions like Massachusetts. It is against college ethics boards, but those do not have the force of law. That having been said, that is a concern. Someone using the essay for a sample, then, should show their work based OFF the paper to their Professor and make sure it's right.
john  EssayChatDec 12, 2010
Show it to your Professor and make sure that it works for the class.

anyone that reads and posts on this site and works in this industry is well aware what these essays are being used for. trying to take some sort of moral high ground is quite honestly ridiculous and absurd.
Richie  EssayChatDec 12, 2010
Show it to your Professor and make sure that it works for the class.

Okay, but this disqualifies you from doing this job, you condone plagiarism.. and that's illegal.
Richie  EssayChatDec 12, 2010
These guys are promoting.

It would be fine if they were just 'promoting' but they are spamming all over the place with their broken English. Disgusting spammers.
Amon Giralda  

seems like...

Dec 12, 2010
Hey there i use the services of academiasolution.com they are trustworthy you can give them a try

These guys are promoting. They e-mailed me, a separate business, which doesn't inspire much confidence. (How dumb do you have to be to e-mail a COMPETITOR with spam?)

http://www.essayscam.org/Forum/9/some-facts-academiasolution-com-2055/ , to their credit, is the only EssayScam thread I see about them, and it has no specific complaints of bad treatment of writers or not turning in quality work. But this is clearly a sock puppet, and I wonder why they can't just promote here or on EssayScam directly instead of through sock puppets...
Amon Giralda  

replied

Dec 11, 2010
Failed: It hit my spam filter :) . I've replied.
FailedEsyist  

thanks

Dec 11, 2010
Thanks for your reply Amon - some good tips there.

Upon further review, though, I'm very wary of going with any large site now and would rather do things on a one-to-one basis. I emailed you at the address on your site last night, so drop me a line when you have the chance :)
Amon Giralda  

well...

Dec 11, 2010
I think I'm legitimate, and have some good policies to guarantee this to the company ;) .

Some degree of trust will be required. If they can get you writing samples, FROM THE WRITER IN QUESTION, that look good, that's a good start. If the correspondence from the website looks professional, that's also good. If the website has bad writing, even if it has a professional veneer, that's a warning sign.

I'd just say make your deadline SUBSTANTIALLY before you get the paper. Show it to your Professor and make sure that it works for the class. Proofread it yourself. If it looks good, that's fine. You do have the problem that you don't know what you don't know, but at least this way you can make sure it looks good.

If it doesn't match their quality control promises, start a trackback on your order and demand a refund. It's worth the try, at least.
FailedEssayist  

damn, just got scammed.

Dec 11, 2010
Ha, I am quite a tech-savvy person, but with deadlines and all, I guess I didn't take a thorough enough look into the company. Never done anything close to this before, and never even thought its a big enough industry to support such a huge netword of scammers. Depressed as hell, and out $90 now...guess it could be worse. :/

Problem now, is that I'm crazy paranoid of any site and/or person offering writing services, but I still need it done! :) EssayScam.org scared the #### out of me, and Google search/ads is what got me into this mess.

I guess my question is *how* can I find a legitimate service? Anyone?
Amon Giralda  

just've seen...

Dec 10, 2010
What do you mean?

Some things that I find pretty amazing. That's all.

Problem is I'm getting tired of it, my eyes and head hurt too often. How to deal with that? Drop agencies or clients? I like agencies as I don't have to worry about marketing but working with clients is more rewarding (not only by dollar standards). Some companies allow to work directly with clients but many don't.

That's what I'd say. You could also send work to people.
Cincin  

i write for 6 essay agencies :)

Dec 10, 2010
Is there anyone else who has more freelance accounts? :) I do projects for some of my clients too.

Problem is I'm getting tired of it, my eyes and head hurt too often. How to deal with that? Drop agencies or clients? I like agencies as I don't have to worry about marketing but working with clients is more rewarding (not only by dollar standards). Some companies allow to work directly with clients but many don't.
Amon Giralda  

"except..."

Dec 10, 2010
By except, I mean "ESPECIALLY". Wow, Freudian slip, huh? ;) I really am astonished by some of the confidentiality behavior in the industry.
Amon Giralda  

joking, right?

Dec 10, 2010
Your business should be transparent if you don't want to be called a fraudulent writer ;).

This is a joke, right? Microsoft isn't a scam company, but they won't publish every detail of your customer transaction. Confidentiality is a key part of every business, except this one. I will never discuss any element of a customer service interaction barring outright fraud, legal need or customer permission.
Amon Giralda  

clarification

Dec 9, 2010
It's generally not good etiquette to post things about a private business transaction in public. I'll answer your question in e-mail.
Amon Giralda  EssayChatDec 9, 2010
Good point..

If it's so hard to work independently why don't you join a 'big company' and not worry about the fine print ;).

Fine print is EXACTLY what you worry about with a middle-to-big sized company. Devil you know, really. At least PayPal is not likely to out-and-out screw me,.

Good customer service is not hard. It's staggering that it is so poorly done.

I also do take work from other companies as well, of course, but I'd prefer my business to get off the ground. I know that I am doing good work. I can't say the same for others.
AmonsEssays  

yes...

Dec 9, 2010
Right, but for you to change a website or email (if you have angry clients) would take an hour; an established company cannot just change their website and start from scratch when a crazy client or competitor tries to discredit them online.

That's fair enough, except billing is rather harder to fake or create anew (billing that doesn't charge surcharges). PayPal requires a unique bank account to a unique e-mail in general, for example. But changing my website or e-mail, since I give clients a consistent, actual NAME, would require losing a substantial amount of my word-of-mouth appeal. As a small company, I can't just create clients out of thin air the same way the big companies can, for the same reason you mention that they need to charge more.

I don't see what this has to do with my original argument, either ;) . It is in my best interest to provide good customer service if I want to keep clients coming in. It really is in the best interest of companies to do the same thing, Ukrainian or not.

In fact, it seems to me that a devastating customer service criticism, in terms of hurting my word-of-mouth, is FAR worse to me. Big companies always have the advantage that, no matter how much bad publicity they get, someone will have missed it or won't believe it and will get burnt by them. it can't last indefinitely, but it can last pretty long if you top off on a Google search. Right now, a negative review of me on EssayScam would be pretty highly ranked on my Google search list :) .

If they hire poor writers what can you expect? : )

Basic integrity? :D
Richie  EssayChatDec 9, 2010
Anyone could have a bad day, or a misunderstanding or miscommunication on any end.

Right, but for you to change a website or email (if you have angry clients) would take an hour; an established company cannot just change their website and start from scratch when a crazy client or competitor tries to discredit them online. That's why of the reasons companies must charge more (and frankly, considering their cost and liability their prices are on average very low compared to prices of individual freelance writers).

Take Essaywriters.net. Their reputation is non-existent, not because one or two people have a problem with them, but because dozens on one SITE do.

If they hire poor writers what can you expect? : )
AmonsEssays  

bad publicity

Dec 9, 2010
What would you do if you have an angry client, there's no way of avoiding bad publicity ; ).

Ps. Learn to use the quote (first highlight the text and then click on the 'Quote' link).

What a clumsy quote system. Seems to me to lead to double posting far too often.

Anyways, this is a silly argument, as anyone who has done customer service can attest. Anyone could have a bad day, or a misunderstanding or miscommunication on any end. The point is to deal with the 90% of people who are no problem, then work with the 9% who have a complaint but are not unreasonable. The remaining 1% will speak for themselves based on the preponderance of the evidence the other way. Bad customer service misses out on the 9%, worse customer service misses out on the 90%.

Take Essaywriters.net. Their reputation is non-existent, not because one or two people have a problem with them, but because dozens on one SITE do.

I do my absolute best, turn in every contract on time as agreed, do editing up until the due date, etc., to get word of mouth promotion. When an angry customer inevitably posts to, say, EssayScam, I will deal with them respectfully and kindly. That's good business.

I'd say both may be good (even though I'm always confused about papermasters.com VS masterpapers.com, one is probably from Ukraine or something).

If the name is odd in some way, like a non-traditional syntax or order or conjunction, that's probably Ukrainian. Both of these sound okay, but Paper Masters is a little odd.
Richie  EssayChatDec 9, 2010
so whats about custompapepers.com and the other site i found papermasters.com whom should i trust more???

I'd say both may be good (even though I'm always confused about papermasters.com VS masterpapers.com, one is probably from Ukraine or something).
Richie  EssayChatDec 9, 2010
I'm a small business, I can't afford bad publicity.

What would you do if you have an angry client, there's no way of avoiding bad publicity ; ).

Ps. Learn to use the quote (first highlight the text and then click on the 'Quote' link).
Amon Giralda  

as to who to trust...

Dec 9, 2010
essayscam.org/forum/ . Do a search there. Generally, if you don't get any hits, that's a decent sign. Other than that, I can offer the advice I always give: If the writing of the site is fishy, great in some spots and poor in the next, or if in communication with you they do not write effectively, that's a HUGE red flag. It doesn't matter if they're a scam or not, they are clearly not competent enough to get good writers to write their own advertising material and public relations work. How can they get good writers for your essays?

I am absolutely willing to do such a paper. Send me an e-mail with the prompt and due date and we'll go from there.
true  EssayChatDec 9, 2010
so whats about custompapepers.com and the other site i found papermasters.com whom should i trust more???

Amonessays, cna you write me a paper in health care marketing
Admin  EssayChatDec 8, 2010
i need really some body to help me find a trusted site to have my paper done

At this time of the year most legitimate websites won't take too many rush assignments. Your best luck might be to go with a freelance writer (native English speaker of course). You may post websites that you're considering and maybe some posters will tell you if you're on the right track or not.
true  

to admin

Dec 8, 2010
dear admin
i am not recommending any site, in fact Iam a student and i need really some body to help me find a trusted site to have my paper done , in english "can you recommend for me ,because i got confused searching".
Amon Giralda  

reason for pseudonyms

Dec 8, 2010
"I'm a freelance academic writer
Then, why don't you use your real first and last name in your email, why do you try to remain anonymous. Clients may not like that."

Remember that some writers may still be in school, in graduate or Ph. D programs, or not want this career on their resume. Pseudonyms aren't a bad idea for everyone's sake. And people with real names can rob you just as well...
Richie  EssayChatDec 7, 2010
Of course, if you're paying $25-35, there is a very good chance they are hiring master's and Ph. D students. That is a good thing for you, obviously.

It doesn't work that way any more. Scam sites got 'smart' and now to deceive the public they charge about the same as the legitimate sites do -- and it's a win/win situation for them because by charging more they can scam more money out of their clients.
Richie  EssayChatDec 7, 2010
but I personally have a base rate of $7.50, though I do get up to around $17.50.

That's a reasonable range. I guess overall you'd get about the same (on average) with some reputable companies, but some people prefer to work for themselves.
Amon Giralda  

reputable rate

Dec 7, 2010
My experience has been that people starting out in the industry often must charge far less. I, for example, have had to charge several people $5 to $7.50 a page just to get them interested since they were so poor. I write well, am not an ESL writer and am nationally published, but I personally have a base rate of $7.50, though I do get up to around $17.50.

To get a feel for the reputability of a site, I always go for the obvious: Do THEY write well? Many sites have nice, professional looking backgrounds, but the moment you read a section that isn't the front page or get an e-mail from them, it is full of broken English, misspellings, grammatical errors, etc. Further, if their writing just seems hackneyed or uninteresting, how can they write a good paper for you?

Of course, if you're paying $25-35, there is a very good chance they are hiring master's and Ph. D students. That is a good thing for you, obviously.

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